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We now have license to question value of McCain's Service in Vietnam

Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 08:15:33 PM PDT

[Sorry for Short Diary, but I did not see anywhere on DKos and I think this is important in framing the military experience issue for the rest of campaign.]

That's right! Courtesy of right wing "Vets For Freedom" (Think Progress):

his experienced is based on what? The Mekong Delta. It’s based to Vietnam, a totally different fight, a totally different enemy, and by the way, it was 30 years ago.

By Popular Demand: The Legend of John McCain

Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 09:45:05 AM PDT

The political career of John McCain has been made possible by a series of political maneuvers and a skillful public relations campaign, creating the juggernaut that I like to call The Legend of John McCainTM.  There are many facets of The LegendTM, but the base of the entire concept lies in John McCain’s military service.  The deification of his service and of his time in Vietnam as a prisoner of war has been constructed into a nearly impenetrable firewall against scrutiny, and have also served, along with media complicity, as rose colored glasses to the public throughout his political career.  Up until recently, no one could ever think of questioning any part of The LegendTM without facing serious public backlash.  Fortunately, his candidacy for President has allowed and demanded closer scrutiny of his history, and of the phenomenon that is The Legend of John McCainTM.

McCains Lack of Facial Response at Saddleback Forum

Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 07:29:13 AM PDT

Here is a comparison of what should be very similar moments: Senator McCain saying how a decision cost him more years in a prison camp at 10:04 of Part 2 of the  Saddleback forum where he just said,

But I wasn't in good physical shape. In fact, I was in rather bad physical shape. So I said no.

Note that there is not a grimace of pain, nor even a furrowed brow, and not a sign of stress in his voice for what he describes as the "toughest decision I ever made". Contrast this with the image of Nikali Schartz, who was in a Nazi war camp, who found out that he was almost sent to the Dora camp, an almost certain death sentence at 6:33 on CBS Holocaust I . The voice of Nikali Schartz drops. His brow furrows. You can tell the pain, even after all this time!

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McBush? What about McNixon?

Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:57:00 AM PDT

John McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time last year.

That's no small feet.

But when McCain says that he refuses to let soldiers return from Iraq until he "wins with honor and victory," it's not Bush I'm thinking of, but McCain's old hero, Richard Nixon.

John McCain's Soul and his Vice President

Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 03:01:34 PM PDT

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John McCain: A Profile in Cowardice

Mon Aug 11, 2008 at 06:25:10 AM PDT

By David B. Livingstone/North Star Writers Group

Rightwing War Against Truth

Sat Aug 09, 2008 at 12:06:51 PM PDT

The Republicans could never win a national election if voters had an even remotely objective view of the issues. So the Republicans engage in character assassination, voter suppression, politicization of government agencies, and probably much worse. They also conduct a widespread campaign of misinformation

Learn more below the fold

Why 47 is the perfect age to be president

Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 11:38:26 AM PDT

Today is Barack Obama's 47th birthday. He shares the same birthdate as Louis Armstrong, Helen Thomas, Billy Bob Thornton, Roger Clemens, and Percy Shelley.

Much has been made about Obama's youth, and I've joked about how much I love to hear that, being just nine days older than he is. In 1908, an American man could expect to live just 49.5 years. Had they lived a century ago, Barack Obama would likely have been nearing the end of his life and John McCain would've been dead for decades. It's only now, as average life expectancy nears 80, that Obama is considered to be barely middle aged. But as he closes in on the half-century mark, Obama has had plenty of time to gain wisdom and perspective.

Go below the flip to learn why someone born in 1961 is ideally suited to be president ...

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What John McCain missed about the Vietnam War

Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 07:21:02 PM PDT

General Wesley Clark got raked over the coals by the news media for making the perfectly reasonable and fair observation that getting shot down doesn't particularly qualify or disqualify you for the presidency.  I'll go farther, and say that being in isolation during the upheaval of the Vietnam war is a big hole in John McCain's education in political history.  

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Paris Peace Talks, 2008

Sun Aug 03, 2008 at 06:21:55 PM PDT

There's widespread agreement that the landscape of the 2008 election could lead to a political realignment of historic proportions. But how and why would that occur? How do historical parallels from earlier landmark elections help us to understand what is happening this year? Those are questions we're addressing in this Daily Kos Sunday symposium.

DHinMI has explained why the political, social, and economic background to the 1932 election provides an extremely useful model for interpreting how 2008 could play out. In 1932 Democrats built upon public disgust with failed Republican governance to send the GOP into exile for 20 years. Devilstower has discussed the 1976 election in which another Democrat running as an outsider swept aside a discredited and incompetent Republican Party to try to institute a much needed agenda of reform. And DemFromCT has examined Carter's strategy in 1980 by which he tried and failed to paint the Republican outsider as incompetent and scary.

Historical models assist us in seeing trends, in highlighting how various factors can influence elections. Historical models are a means to think in a more focused way about the historical forces at work. They're not predictive. The circumstances of each era are particular to itself. With that in mind, I'll explore one further model that bears striking parallels to the current election - the 1968 battle that helped to restore Republican dominance of the presidency for a generation.

Unlike most presidential elections, in 1968 victory hinged on foreign policy perhaps more than on the pressing domestic issues.

That's not to minimize the significance of the appeal to racial bigotry by Nixon and Wallace in the wake of the Civil Rights Act, nor the mileage Nixon got out of his promise to restore law and order. Much of the country was fearful after a year of assassinations and riots and protests; Nixon hoped to win by stoking that fear. His personality and record were rather distasteful, so his best chance of winning was to redirect attention away from himself.

Humphrey, for all the anger he engendered in capturing the Democratic nomination, could at least draw upon a reservoir of public good will toward him personally. Nixon's most tantalizing opening was to run against the Democratic policies on Vietnam. His problem, initially, was that Nixon's hawkishness was barely distinguishable from LBJ's or Humphrey's. So for most of 1968 Nixon tamely declared that he had plan, always secret, to win in Vietnam. He wanted a race on domestic issues more than Vietnam. Never the less the centrality of the war debate eventually imposed itself on the election.

The Democratic administration helped to bring the war to the forefront. Not surprisingly in the end it worked against HHH. The Vietnam war was deeply unpopular; people had stopped believing the adminstration's reassurances that victory was near. Even a momentous turn of events might not have won back popular support for an administration and a party that had waded into the quagmire. Yet HHH tied himself for most of 1968 to LBJ's war because he saw no practical way to distance himself from policies he'd always publicly embraced. Vietnam was Humphrey's greatest weakness, waiting to be exploited.

The second largest factor in the 1968 election was the hugely unpopular lame-duck president. Whoever his party had nominated was going to bear the brunt of public anger. But by accepting HHH, the Democrats elevated a candidate who had virtually no room to maneuver within a badly fractured Democratic base. HHH was not just the steady hand at the tiller. He was bound to be seen as more of the same. That made it easier for Nixon to look a little like an outsider, to run as a champion of people ignored by DC.

In any case, this is critical: LBJ was determined to salvage his historical legacy by resolving the Vietnam War before he left office. The issues in Vietnam were intractable...in the manner of most quagmires. Thus LBJ was hell bent on achieving what was nearly impossible. He conceived the notion that if he could bring peace before November, then he could hand an electoral victory to his political heir.

Hence the party's candidate, HHH, had tied his wagon to an evolving and very tenuous foreign policy agenda over which he had virtually no control. LBJ had the reins and he was taking his own path. HHH had 'me too'.

Worse still, LBJ had grown used to treating the Saigon government pretty much as a puppet, however much both sides denied the charge. It was imperious condescension. As 1968 dragged on he was never able to find a solution to the simple fact that the Vietnamese realized his weakness as a lame duck and were happy to take the opportunity to manipulate the US government in return.

Thus the title of this post. The Paris peace talks of the summer of 1968, pushed through by Johnson, quickly devolved into a joke. All parties in Vietnam dug in their heels knowing well how eager LBJ was for a deal. The prolonged dispute about the shape of the negotiating table(s) in Paris became an object of ridicule in the US. The talks bogged down for good reasons. Nearly all parties saw plenty of grounds to string Johnson along, and few reasons to bargain seriously with a lame duck.

True, LBJ was able to inject renewed life into the peace talks just before the election by promising a cessation of bombing. However through secret negotiations with Richard Nixon (which were frankly treasonous - LBJ knew about them but decided against making them public, as Clark Clifford later revealed), South Vietnamese President Nguyen Van Thieu decided to scuttle the Paris peace talks. Thieu was convinced that he could get a better deal if Nixon were elected. Johnson was stunned when Thieu refused to attend the renewed peace talks in Paris. He shouldn't have been, it was in the cards all along. Thieu knew that an election year with a lame-duck president was the best possible time to make his play. The collapse of the Paris peace talks at the last moment undermined Humphrey just as he seemed on the point of overtaking Nixon in November 1968.

It happens that what the South Vietnamese leadership was hoping to get from Nixon that they couldn't get from LBJ was a long term commitment for US military backing for Thieu's fragile regime. That is the very opposite of what is at stake for the Iraqi leadership today, which wants to use this election to leverage the removal of US forces. An important distinction, sure, but the fact remains that negotiations over the future of US-Iraqi relations, so central to McCain's campaign, will be driven as much by a newly empowered Iraqi leadership as by Bush's eagerness to cut a deal to save face over the Iraq War. Bush is hell-bent on pushing through sweeping agreements with Iraq this year, including a Status of Forces Agreement. McCain's wishes probably will play little part in how things turn out.

Since May of this year at the latest it became clear, as the Bush administration tried to twist arms, that Prime Minister Maliki had put his finger to the wind. The political winds were not blowing in Bush's direction any longer. In public Maliki began siding more and more openly with the majority of Iraqis who are critical of SOFA and what it represents, the long-term occupation of their country.

Maliki hasn't hung Bush out to dry completely. That would be counterproductive undiplomatic. Negotiations continue; the Bush administration makes more and more concessions trying to keep Maliki satisfied. Bush is left in the position of having to put on a brave face as he's left guessing.

"If I were a betting man, we'll reach an agreement with the Iraqis," Bush told a news conference in Paris.

And so it will go, a slow walk until the election veering into who knows what territory. McCain certainly doesn't know where it's headed. The roadmap that Bush and McCain were counting on this past winter is becoming increasingly irrelevant. What matters now is Bush's desperation to create a legacy, and Maliki's determination to take advantage of that desperation. If that were not clear from the collapse of the administration's entrenched positions during May and June, then it ought to be from Maliki's remarkably casual endorsement of Barack Obama's plan for troop withdrawals from Iraq in mid July.

Maliki is gradually humiliating the lame-duck George Bush. The more Bush concedes this year in his desperation to cut a deal, the weaker his position will become. The puppet has nearly become the puppetmaster.

The humiliation of John McCain goes forward at least as quickly because his Iraq policy - the centerpiece of his presidential campaign - is identical to Bush's former positions and yet he has no control over these negotiations in Iraq. It has been entirely predictable that McCain would prove to be as much as hostage to Bush's war policy as Hubert Humphrey was to Lyndon Johnson's. Bush, like Johnson, is more interested in securing his place in history than in helping his heir apparent win the election. McCain has locked himself into a war policy that's quickly becoming untenable as Bush himself abandons it. Similar patterns are emerging with regard to other foreign flash-points, Iran and North Korea, as Bush is drawn toward Barack Obama's positions.

It's finally dawning on some of McCain's advisers that they are in deep trouble on Iraq.

Update [2008-8-4 1:40:11 by smintheus]: For a similar interpretation of events in Iraq, see also this column by Peter Keating.

Historical precedents: how they affect us now (Final) (UPDATE)

Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 09:33:46 PM PDT

This diary is going to end what has turned into a three-part (Part I and II) look into how Bush/Cheney pulled from historical precedents, in addition to people from earlier administrations who were involved in numerous scandals and illegal activities, to further their own goals.

With that, follow me for the final look at historical precedents...

"LEAVE NO SOLDIER"

Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 03:00:59 AM PDT

TWO JOURNEYS, TWO GENERATIONS, BRINGING EACH OTHER HOME

"Leave No Soldier"

A feature length documentary directed, produced and co-written by Donna Bassin,
an official selection of the 2008 Rhode Island International Film Festival.

"LEAVE NO SOLDIER," Tells the story of two impassioned journeys by two communities of American War Veterans who have carried a Military Oath from the Battlefield
to the home front. The two groups are divided by their politics, but united in their devotion to dead comrades and their compassionate commitment
to "Leave No Fallen Soldier Behind".

Traveling Vietnam

Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 04:32:55 PM PDT

Anybody need some Monday afternoon relief?  If so, please feel free to chime in.

I am planning a vacation to Vietnam this November, more than likely immediately following the election.  Looking for ideas on books and places to see and anything else that might be useful.  

McCain and the Forrestal Fire

Mon Jul 28, 2008 at 04:09:37 PM PDT

On July 29, 1967, a fire started on the U.S. aircraft carrier Forrestal that killed 134 men (See accounts at the Forrestal Museum and Wikidpedia). John McCain's plane was at the very center of the fire. According to the official story, a rocket was accidentally discharged that struck either John McCain's plane or the one next to it. He was transferred off the ship immediately after the fire. According to the John McCain story, he volunteered to be transferred. According to a piece in the NY Times, he was interviewed in Saigon a few hours later (NY Times, July 30, 1967). The interview doesn't mention any injury.

I have read a rumor that John McCain started the fire when he 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up a pilot in the plane next to his. The charge also alleges that his transfer was not voluntary, but compulsory, to save his life from crewmembers who blamed him for the fire.

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Woodstock; War and Peace Revisited

Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:58:54 PM PDT

country joe mcdonald and the fish- vietman song

copyright © 2008 Betsy L. Angert.  BeThink.org

It was summer.  Temperatures were high and war was in the air.  People said they were upset with politicians who refused to heed the cries for peace.  Battlefields far from home became burial grounds.  The public noted too many people had died, perhaps unnecessarily.  Americans publicly announced, its time to bring our young home.  End the combat was the common cry.  Yet, it seemed the Administration did not intend to declare a cease-fire.  

Post Traumatic Stress Research

Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 10:01:50 AM PDT

PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder): An anxiety disorder that can develop after exposure to a terrifying event or ordeal in which grave physical harm occurred or was threatened. People with PTSD have persistent frightening thoughts and memories of their ordeal. They may experience sleep problems, feel detached or numb, or be easily startled.

TBI (traumatic brain injury): Also called a concussion.

ASR (acute stress reaction): The immediate aftermath of a traumatic incident in a combat zone. The military describes it as normal reactions among troops confronted by abnormal situations.

CID (critical incident debrief): The Army's term for a mandatory session that takes place 24 to 72 hours after an event that may be sapping a soldier's will to fight.

National Institute Of Mental Health

'Swift Boating' John McCain?

Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 09:54:06 AM PDT

I've seen a lot of comments lately to the effect that John McCain's a war hero, period, and any questioning of his military service beyond praising his heroism amounts to "swift boating" him.

Really?

Salus populi suprema lex

Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:19:13 AM PDT

I closed out four years in office as a southern Governer throughout this period without one person being killed in demonstrations and marches.

  These are the words of man whose guiding principle as a public servant has been the Latin of my title:  the safety of the people is the supreme law.  On January 20, 1959, at age 37, he became governor of South Carolina, having already served in the South Carolina legislature beginning in 1948.  He failed in his first try for the U. S. Senate, was out of elected office from January 1963 until winning a special election to the United States Senate in November of 1966, and he served until January of 2005.  His 38 years is the 7th longest in Senate history.   And now he has written an important book, entitled Making Government Work.  His name is Ernest "Fritz" Hollings and I am delight to be able to write about him and about this book.


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